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August 14, 2023
Brian Liou
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Founder & CEO of Rora; 500+ negotiations completed

The #1 Mistake STEM PhDs Make In Their Industry Job Search

"Don’t underestimate how time-consuming and distracting recruiting is."

We’ve heard different versions of the exact same sentiment from dozens of recent PhD grads since many try to recruit for jobs while completing writing research projects, their thesis, preparing their defense, and graduating.

This may seem somewhat obvious and you might be thinking - “yes, of course job searches take work!” 

However, searching for your first tech role out of your PhD or post-doc is just about a full-time job.

Here are some examples of time-consuming tasks in recruiting you don’t expect:

Task Duration
Researching companies that are of interest 2-3 hours per week
Sending out messages to your network and/or building a network to get interviews 2-3 hours per week
Networking calls to learn more about companies and express interest 30 mins per call and roughly 2 calls to land 1 interview
Preparing for interviews – both Leetcode questions and going back through your research so you can speak to your experience and expertise roughly 3 hours per interview (less at earlier stages; more at later stages)
Researching each company and the people you are interviewing with 30 mins per interview
Scheduling the 5-10 interviews each company asks you to do if you get an offer, etc. roughly 3 hours per interview process
Interviewing 5 - 10 interviews per company; 1 hour per interview + whole day interview processes
Total time from preparation to completing an interview process with 1 company 45 - 48 hours


Note: Also don't forget the emotional toll of excitement and inevitable rejection from some companies.

On the whole - if you already have strong connections to companies (likely from your lab or a previous internship), expect the job search to take 2-4 months. If you don’t have connections like these, expect the job search to take closer to 5-6 months. 

Plus, you have to play the waiting game

In addition to the time the interview process takes, you also have to factor in waiting – since many companies won’t get back to you immediately and may take weeks (and sometimes months) in between rounds of interviews. 

For example - we recently worked with a CS PhD who was told by a Google recruiter that he was getting an offer, but not told the actual compensation numbers for another 3 weeks – and that was already after spending 2 months in the interview process!

Candidates find this particularly frustrating because it’s totally out of their control since, many times, they’re simultaneously trying to navigate graduation timelines, when to begin OPT, and potentially moving to a new city.

The Cost of Having the Wrong Expectations

When your expectations are that a job search should take a month, but ends up taking significantly longer, you can end up in a place of feeling exhausted and desperate to finish the hiring process. This always leads to unnecessary stress, poor decision making, and generally worse performance.

In the worst case scenario, you’re desperate to wrap up the job search so you accept a low or bad offer and then end up regretting your decision. 

We saw this happen firsthand with an engineer at DeepMind who - despite being the top performer on her team - learned that she had 40% of the equity of one of her peers who joined at the same time. She accepted quickly because she was busy and ready to be done interviewing, but ultimately came to regret that decision and was forced to eventually leave the company to get paid her market value.

Conclusion

When you are job searching the three biggest obstacles are:

  1. Exhaustion
  2. Desperation
  3. Urgency

Companies count on these stressors when recruiting you to persuade you to join quickly and/or not negotiate to the top of the pay band. 

Job search with the right expectations, a good plan, and plenty of time, and you could even find that you enjoy the process rather than dread it.

Brian Liou
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Founder & CEO of Rora; 500+ negotiations completed

Brian is the founder and CEO of Rora. He's spent his career in education - first building Leada, a Y-Combinator backed ed-tech startup that was Codecademy for Data Science.

Brian founded Rora in 2018 with a mission to shift power to candidates and employees and has helped hundreds of people negotiate for fairer pay, better roles, and more power at work.

Brian is a graduate of UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business.

Over 1000 individuals have used Rora to negotiate more than $10M in pay increases at companies like Amazon, Google, Meta, hundreds of startups, as well as consulting firms such as Vanguard, Cornerstone, BCG, Bain, and McKinsey. Their work has been featured in Forbes, ABC News, The TODAY Show, and theSkimm.

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